{"id":751,"date":"2012-02-27T11:55:26","date_gmt":"2012-02-27T03:55:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?p=751"},"modified":"2012-02-27T11:55:26","modified_gmt":"2012-02-27T03:55:26","slug":"ernesto-livon-grosman-on-jerome-rothenbergs-anthologies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?p=751","title":{"rendered":"Ernesto Livon-Grosman on Jerome Rothenberg&#8217;s anthologies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jacket2.org\/commentary\/ernesto-livon-grosman-jerome-rothenbergs-anthologies\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" id=\"prodImage\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"border: 0pt none;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ecx.images-amazon.com\/images\/I\/51204R38FZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg?resize=300%2C300\" alt=\"Technicians of the Sacred: A Range of Poetries from Africa, America, Asia, Europe and Oceania, Second edition, Revised and Expanded\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" border=\"0\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><\/a>Over at his <a href=\"https:\/\/jacket2.org\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Jacket2<\/em><\/a>-hosted <a href=\"https:\/\/jacket2.org\/commentary\/charles-bernstein\" target=\"_blank\">blog<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?tag=charles-bernstein\" target=\"_blank\">Charles Bernstein<\/a> has posted <a href=\"https:\/\/jacket2.org\/commentary\/ernesto-livon-grosman-jerome-rothenbergs-anthologies\" target=\"_blank\">Ernesto Livon-Grosman&#8217;s commentary<\/a> on <a href=\"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?tag=jerome-rothenberg\" target=\"_blank\">Jerome Rothenberg<\/a>&#8216;s anthologies, particularly <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com.hk\/books?id=pNxatXWDk-sC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_ge_summary_r&amp;cad=0#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Technicians of the Sacred<\/em><\/a>. I&#8217;ve offered my criticisms of anthologies, particularly anthologies of contemporary Chinese poetry, but I wanted to post Livon-Grosman&#8217;s points about the place of translation in Rothenberg&#8217;s anthologies, as a way of pointing to what else might be possible with anthologies&#8211;and with translations&#8211;even when not dealing with broad samples selecting from many writers, but with single-author collections, such as for instance soemone like Xi Chuan:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For an anthology that recovers, makes visible, and associate texts that were never seen before together, <em>Technicians<\/em> is less concerned with the search for an origin or the construction of a genealogy than with a practice. It is the search for a \u201cknow how,\u201d for the <em>techn<\/em><em>\u00e9<\/em> that is anticipated in the title, that would make possible to read multiple texts not only together but in conjunction by way of those hinges that Jerry created. It does so by reconnecting Dadaist and Maori poetry and bringing together for the first time poets such as Lorca and Klebnikov for whom translation is one more way of writing. In fact, translation is for this anthology the meeting point of theory and practice where the way we read the poems is also the way we write the anthology and by doing so it retrieves a use value without ever loosing its metaphysical value. This is crucial because it would be tempting to confuse collecting with accumulating but what prevents this from happening is precisely the <em>techn\u00e9<\/em> that shows that the sacred is always material, that there is no separation. Translation is for this anthology what supports its view of poetry as synchronic coexistence that frees us in the reading of the poems, among other things, of national boundaries.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over at his Jacket2-hosted blog, Charles Bernstein has posted Ernesto Livon-Grosman&#8217;s commentary on Jerome Rothenberg&#8216;s anthologies, particularly Technicians of the Sacred. I&#8217;ve offered my criticisms of anthologies, particularly anthologies of contemporary Chinese poetry, but I wanted to post Livon-Grosman&#8217;s points &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?p=751\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false}}},"categories":[3,16,7],"tags":[27,387,224,1654],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p8srwF-c7","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":3099,"url":"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?p=3099","url_meta":{"origin":751,"position":0},"title":"Video of Birds of Metal in Flight Readings","author":"Lucas Klein","date":"March 27, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"Readings by Marilyn Nelson, Bei Dao \u5317\u5c9b,\u00a0Afaa Weaver, Zhai Yongming \u7fdf\u6c38\u660e, Pierre\u00a0Joris, Xi Chuan \u897f\u5ddd, Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge, Zhou Zan \u5468\u74d2, Charles Bernstein, and Ouyang Jianghe \u6b27\u9633\u6c5f\u6cb3, followed by remarks from Xu Bing \u5f90\u51b0, introduced by Lydia Liu \u5218\u79be. \u00a0 http:\/\/youtu.be\/QzIw4hiZCsA For Xi Chuan reading my translation of \"Bloom\" \u5f00\u82b1, jump\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Links&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Links","link":"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?cat=3"},"img":{"alt_text":"collage by Tara Coleman","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/xichuanpoetry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Xi-Chuan-Bernstein-Phoenix.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/xichuanpoetry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Xi-Chuan-Bernstein-Phoenix.jpg?resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/xichuanpoetry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Xi-Chuan-Bernstein-Phoenix.jpg?resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/xichuanpoetry.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Xi-Chuan-Bernstein-Phoenix.jpg?resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":709,"url":"https:\/\/xichuanpoetry.com\/?p=709","url_meta":{"origin":751,"position":1},"title":"Jacob Edmond&#8217;s Common Strangeness Blog","author":"Lucas Klein","date":"February 10, 2012","format":false,"excerpt":"Poetry translator and scholar Jacob Edmond has a new blog to promote his forthcoming book, A Common Strangeness: Contemporary Poetry, Cross-Cultural Encounter, Comparative Literature (forthcoming from Fordham University Press). 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